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Hi,

I've been using Thunderbird for years and have always had this issue, but it seems more prevalent now. It's getting a bit annoying so I'm looking for a solution. I've googled it, there are plenty of references to difficulties with formatting "as sent" not being "as received", but in this case I'm talking about a formatting issue that happens immediately in Thunderbird, has nothing to do with the receiving system.

Here's the deal...

I routinely send out batches of emails that use a specific template for formatting. I need to use HTML format because I often highlight and underline things that I've found if I don't will not be seen. To avoid much back and forth from people who did not read the email properly, I want to bold face and underline some key things.

The first example here is "what it looks like before I click Send". It shows proper paragraph structure, normal blank lines between each paragraph, etc.

The second image is what it looks like "after I click Send". It looks like this even in the "outbox" (if I'm sending later) and it hasn't even yet gone out. Appearance is identical in the sent items, and I've had recipients respond to me by replying to the original email and can see they received it formatted as in the screen shot.

Usually it either adds line breaks where none exist, or removes line breaks, merging two paragraphs together.

I've tried composing in an external editor that allows me to see non-printing characters and making sure there is just a single line break between paragraphs (and that line break is THERE), then pasting into Thunderbird. That seems to help, but if I then save that as a template and re-use it in the future, more and more weirdness creeps into it as I bring it up, change some of the verbiage to reflect the current case, and send.

What is going on here, how do I fix this? I've used Outlook for decades, have done similar things with it and have never had this issue. There's nothing "different" I'm doing when composing these - type type type, carriage return, type type type.... Perfectly normal stuff.

Is there a setting somewhere that either prevents this from happening or at least allows me to see non-printable characters so I can recognize them and fix that before it is sent?

Thanks,

Todd

On previous versions I had Next and Previous buttons which were very handy for scrolling through lists of email. Is there a way I can add them to the current Thunderbird? Thanks.

Mircosoft has indicated that after Sept. 16 it is not possible to access my e mail account on outlook. They require a more modern/sophisticated method of authorization, login and password is not enough. What to do?

Text (in Swedish) from the e-mail that I received from outlook@communication.outlook.com:

Det här måste du göra

Om du får det här e-postmeddelandet använder du för närvarande en e-post- eller kalenderapp som ansluter till ditt Outlook.com-e-postkonto genom en mindre säker autentiseringsmetod. Du måste uppgradera din e-post- och kalenderapp från tredje part till en version som stöder moderna autentiseringsmetoder.

I have got many thousands of emails. From time to time my inbox gets full enough for a warning sign to come up - so I have a clean up by deleting and/or saving to a folder within "local folders" and I regularly clean out my deleted folders and recompact.

However in the last few days I have been getting a warning tab come up saying "75% full" fairly randomly - in other words it seems to be independent of whatever folder is active at the time.

Does Thunderbird have a maximum capacity including all local folders? There are many emails (including attachments, of course) which I do not want to delete whether for archive or for nostalgic reasons.

If there is a maximum overall capacity is there any way of "exporting" folders of emails with their attachments to free up space for the program but leaving me able to invoke these emails should the need or occasion arise?

I sent out "1" e-mail to "169 clients" and 31 came back as not deliverable, they ended in either, "att.net" or "sbcglobal.net" e-mail address's.

So I resent "31" individually e-mails back out, 1 at a time", and it took longer for them to come back, but they ALL came back, as not deliverable AGAIN! they all ended in "att.net" or "sbcglobal.net".

In case you are wondering: I been in business since 2003 and have sent out alerts to my customers as needed, and I have NEVER encountered this problem before! I did send it out using my "Hotmail webpage account", and it sent and hasn't come back yet. So it seems its a Thunderbird issue? Thanks in advance for any help you can be to resolve this issue for me. I been using Thunderbird e-mail Program for as long as I can remember.

Here is the complete error message below that I got back: (I have removed the clients email address with question marks "????" for their privacy.)

Delivery has failed to these recipients or groups: ????@sbcglobal.net Your message wasn't delivered. Despite repeated attempts to deliver your message, the recipient's email system refused to accept a connection from your email system.

Contact the recipient by some other means (by phone, for example) and ask them to tell their email admin that it appears that their email system is refusing connections from your email server. Give them the error details shown below. It's likely that the recipient's email admin is the only one who can fix this problem.

For Email Admins No connection could be made because the target computer actively refused it. This usually results from trying to connect to a service that is inactive on the remote host - that is, one with no server application running. For more information and tips to fix this issue see this article: https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=389361

Diagnostic information for administrators:

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????@sbcglobal.net 8/18/2024 6:39:43 PM - Server at SJ2P223MB0861.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM returned '550 5.4.316 Message expired, connection refused(Socket error code 10061)' 8/18/2024 6:29:16 PM - Server at sbcglobal.net (144.160.235.143) returned '450 4.4.316 Connection refused [Message=Socket error code 10061] [LastAttemptedServerName=sbcglobal.net] [LastAttemptedIP=144.160.235.143:25] [SmtpSecurity=-2;-2] [DM6NAM11FT087.eop-nam11.prod.protection.outlook.com 2024-08-18T18:29:43.071Z 08DCBE7E6DB09C7A](Socket error code 10061)'

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Here is one from an "att.net" as well:

Delivery has failed to these recipients or groups:

???? (????@att.net) Your message wasn't delivered. Despite repeated attempts to deliver your message, the recipient's email system refused to accept a connection from your email system.

Contact the recipient by some other means (by phone, for example) and ask them to tell their email admin that it appears that their email system is refusing connections from your email server. Give them the error details shown below. It's likely that the recipient's email admin is the only one who can fix this problem.

For Email Admins No connection could be made because the target computer actively refused it. This usually results from trying to connect to a service that is inactive on the remote host - that is, one with no server application running. For more information and tips to fix this issue see this article: https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=389361

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I did send it out using my "Hotmail webpage account", and it sent and hasn't come back yet. So it seems its a Thunderbird issue? Sincerely Keith L. Allen aka Call Keith NiceSeeingYou :-)

I need Thunderbird to keep upper-case letters at the beginning of sentences when I do this. I also need my name to keep the first letter upper-case. Show me how to do this, please.

Hi,

I recently came across the Thunderbird versions are being mentioned as "esr".

In 115.0 version, I see "esr" is added from the 115.10.2esr to 115.14.0esr, the latest version. I also do not see any change in the installers provided. I would like to understand what is the difference between the previous versions and the versions with "esr"?

In 128.0 version, I can see only 128.0.1esr and 128.1.0esr. Is there no normal updates? Now only esr is supproted?

I had version 115.0 installed but I was able to upgrade to 128.1.0esr without any issue. Is this supported?

Regards, Asif

Debugging message filters and want to see the log. From message filters window I click box "Filter Log". It brings up the small config box of which a pic is attached. I can't find anyway to actually see or access the log. It must be hiding here somewhere ? ?

I have tried to clear the log so it is small in case it is large and takes long to load as I've seen elsewhere. No change.

I try to look this the "Activity Manage" which has some log like error messages but it is a mess of unordered seemingly random successes and some failures. This is another topic.

So, any guidance on how to use the filter log would be greatly appreciated.

How to created new mailing list. The online instructions, last updated 2015, say : "Create a mailing list

   Open the Address Book.
   Select File > New > Mailing List.
   Enter a suitable name for the mailing list. 

but "mailing list" does not appear when i select file> new

Nyc.rr.com cannot send email I can receive email. Everything seems to be set correctly as you can see in the screenshot. Please help. This is a new pc that I am trying to setup. Thank You

I can click on View, layout then either Classic, Vertical, or Wide view and nothing changes on my Email inbox. When I installed the update on my desktop the view stayed as it was since I installed the program which I think it was or prior to 115. Thunderbird has been updated to 128.1. When I installed 128.1 fresh install on my laptop it has a card style view and I can't change it no mater which view the check mark is on. Restarting Thunderbird after changing the check mark to different views had no affect. Maybe I am misunderstanding the terminologies.

I am using Mac OS Ventura 13.6.9. I have been a Thunderbird user for many years. Since this last update, I have started having issues where not all emails are displaying. Seems like most recent emails open correctly, but when I get to emails that are a day or 2 old, I get the the following banner across the top of the screen when the email opens, but can't open the remainder of the email.

I have attached a screenshot to show what I am seeing.

I am using gmail and I can access the emails in gmail, but not in Thunderbird. What is the fix for this?

Thanks

Laura

I saw a post about creating a calendar event directly from email ([https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/que.../1091761]) and it mentioned using

Right Click-Convert To-Event or Task

However, I do not see that option. The post is archived so I cannot followup with the original posting.

Xpunge no longer works since the Thunderbird update; the new one won't be ready until sometime in Sept. (hopefully). I installed the only other add-on that looks as though it should be able to get rid of what's in my junk mail folders. However, I can find no information on it.

It says it's in its own folder, but I can't find it anywhere. It doesn't seem to work automatically and I can't seem to refuse permission for it to read and move my messages (or any other permissions). Does anyone know anything about this? With Xpunge I clicked on it and all of the messages in my junk and/or trash folders (my choice) were deleted; that's what I'm looking for.

1. Where can I find it? It isn't on the toolbar. 2. Can I expect it to automatically move messages to my junk mail folder -- messages that I don't want junked? 3. Will it delete all of the mail in the junk folders of all of my accounts or just move mail to the junk folders? I'm computer-based.

A few times now I've had a batch of incoming e-mails where the date, sender, header information are all there but the body of the e-mail shows: FXCG9w89iTyF8D70T5uihi9D instead of the message. I don't know what this means or why it happens. Can you explain and help me find a solution?

Since the last update, my filters no longer work. Especially the ones where I want to move attachments to a specific folder. For example, to print them out. The option to "separate attachments" is no longer available

PDF Viewer just loads a white screen on the 130.0b1 (64-bit) build, I have to manually save the pdfs and open them with another program.

I have restarted TB several times, restarted the computer, checked for any and all malicous firmware and still its not working

Do you know, why Thunderbird does not display message content or displays strange characters? We only have this problem on one computer. On the other everything is OK.